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  • #16
    IIRC this format has been around since 83. I can't remember if Portland won it as the host team or the WHL champ that year. They were in the league final.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by CalgaryRiderFan View Post
      IIRC this format has been around since 83. I can't remember if Portland won it as the host team or the WHL champ that year. They were in the league final.
      In 2007 Vancouver hosted and lost in the league final to Med Hat and then beat Med Hat in the Memorial Cup final. Oh sweet justice.

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      • #18
        That would be great if the Pats Broncos game was a winnter gets a bye game.

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        • #19
          Some of the games still have a lot of seats to sell, I think this one has the most though. Pats vs Acadie-Bathurst. As well the OHL vs QMJHL game.

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          Last edited by painter; 05-14-2018, 07:22 PM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Unityriderguy View Post

            Plus it would be an unbalanced slate of teams at the memorial cup 3 teams instead of 4
            The CHL managed a three team format prior to 1983. I think each team played each other team twice, one “home” and one “away” making a 6 game preliminary round. The top two teams played in the final. I think that’s how it worked but I could be wrong.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Mustard Tiger View Post

              They still have to win the games at the Memorial Cup.
              Yes but the host team only has to play well during Memorial Cup week. They can play awful throughout the rest of the year. The other three teams have to play well throughout the year including winning each playoff round and the Memorial Cup. Not exactly the same hurdles to jump across.
              Last edited by yqrsyd; 05-14-2018, 08:01 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by yqrsyd View Post
                From an integrity point of view I don’t like how the host team gets a automatic bye into the tournament. I know they do this to sell tickets to the local market but it turns out three teams legitimately earn an entry into the tournament and one team parachutes in. How ridiculous would it be if the Grey Cup host team earns a bye into the Grey Cup game. A huge asterisk should be beside any host team winning the Memorial Cup when they haven’t been the champions of their league and earning the right to be there.
                I agree. I completely understand it’s all about marketing but why should some teams get a free chance at playing in the Memorial Cup while other markets will always have to earn a chance. Not only does a team get rewarded for getting eliminated, they get a chance to rest and heal all the injuries.

                This is about determining the best Jr hockey team in The CHL. Have the best 3 teams play for the top spot even if the arena is empty. Win and you’re in! Unless you happen to be in a market large enough to sell extra tickets, and you're in.....

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Unityriderguy View Post

                  Then you would only have 3 teams playing if the host team wasn’t in it
                  And you need 4 teams why?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Poley For PM View Post
                    This is about determining the best Jr hockey team in The CHL. Have the best 3 teams play for the top spot even if the arena is empty. Win and you’re in! Unless you happen to be in a market large enough to sell extra tickets, and you're in.....
                    The Memorial Cup is also about raising money for the CHL. For example, Swift Current received a significant share of the profits from Red Deer hosting the Memorial Cup. They also got money that year from their share of the World Curling. Combined, these events had them post a profit of $230,000. Without those two events, they were at a loss of $90,000. Do you think they hire Manny Viveiros that offseason if they just lost $90,000, or do they play it safe and hire someone cheap? Are they in their current position right now, going to the Memorial Cup, without that share of Memorial Cup profits? Highly debatable.

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                    • #25
                      You absolutely need a host team in the Memorial Cup for financial reasons.

                      There is no business case for an alternate model at this point. Plain and simple. A lot of junior hockey teams lose money already as it is.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by CanuckRider View Post
                        You absolutely need a host team in the Memorial Cup for financial reasons.

                        There is no business case for an alternate model at this point. Plain and simple. A lot of junior hockey teams lose money already as it is.
                        There has to be a better way because the current format is fundamentally flawed in determining the best junior team in the country. How can a team that cannot win a single playoff round be crowned the champions of the league like Windsor did last year? The advantage the host team has by being well rested playing against teams having played through 3 or 4 playoff rounds creates an unlevel playing field. I think Darrell Davis has it right and what we have now truly is a stupid format.

                        http://www.cjme.com/2018/04/04/darre...al-cup-format/

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by yqrsyd View Post

                          There has to be a better way because the current format is fundamentally flawed in determining the best junior team in the country. How can a team that cannot win a single playoff round be crowned the champions of the league like Windsor did last year? The advantage the host team has by being well rested playing against teams having played through 3 or 4 playoff rounds creates an unlevel playing field. I think Darrell Davis has it right and what we have now truly is a stupid format.

                          http://www.cjme.com/2018/04/04/darre...al-cup-format/
                          Best of seven with junior teams traveling across the country? Terrible idea. There are already some teams losing money, and this would be crazy expensive.

                          The money that the tournament generates is important for the CHL, so any advantage that host teams have is something that has to be lived with for the overall health of the league.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Mustard Tiger View Post

                            Best of seven with junior teams traveling across the country? Terrible idea. There are already some teams losing money, and this would be crazy expensive.

                            The money that the tournament generates is important for the CHL, so any advantage that host teams have is something that has to be lived with for the overall health of the league.
                            So for the financial health of the league we must live with a flawed format? If the integrity of the tournament is lacking then the CHL has a problem to fix. If the Pats win this year being the second host team in a row winning the Memorial Cup without winning a playoff series, isn’t that problem to be solved? What if this trend continued? The winning format will be for the host team to lose out early, get lots of rest and healing time and win the Memorial Cup. Maybe the Memorial Cup organizers should just hand out participation medals as determining the best junior team is not their priority.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by yqrsyd View Post

                              There has to be a better way because the current format is fundamentally flawed in determining the best junior team in the country. How can a team that cannot win a single playoff round be crowned the champions of the league like Windsor did last year? The advantage the host team has by being well rested playing against teams having played through 3 or 4 playoff rounds creates an unlevel playing field. I think Darrell Davis has it right and what we have now truly is a stupid format.

                              http://www.cjme.com/2018/04/04/darre...al-cup-format/
                              Davis is an idiot. On all things.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by yqrsyd View Post

                                So for the financial health of the league we must live with a flawed format? If the integrity of the tournament is lacking then the CHL has a problem to fix. If the Pats win this year being the second host team in a row winning the Memorial Cup without winning a playoff series, isn’t that problem to be solved? What if this trend continued? The winning format will be for the host team to lose out early, get lots of rest and healing time and win the Memorial Cup. Maybe the Memorial Cup organizers should just hand out participation medals as determining the best junior team is not their priority.
                                Literally no one in the CHL cares. Just a bunch of whiney part time fans that have no skin in the game. The money Swift got has arguably put them into this Memorial Cup. It's a short tournament and that's why it's one of the hardest to win. If it's such a big deal, beat the host. Midget AAA the host gets in, Junior A the host gets in, it's just what makes the most sense.

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