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  • Forgot about March Madness cutting into it. Baseball is still popular enough to take ratings when they start at the end of this month. Then there will be the weekend that's all about the Masters were this league will be a total afterthought.

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    • Originally posted by Rider_Stronson View Post
      TV ratings starting to wane too now, already. That was expected. Once March hits, college basketball fever starts to set in. And people aren't stupid when they watch on TV either. It's hilarious how they constrain the camera angles from showing the embarrassingly sparse crowds. Forget about thinking you'll see the trajectory of an actual punt because that would mean a shot of the stands.
      Has anyone seen the ratings for week 4?. Pretty quick out with the first couple weeks now seems to be delayed.

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      • Originally posted by Magnum View Post

        Has anyone seen the ratings for week 4?. Pretty quick out with the first couple weeks now seems to be delayed.
        I did. The ratings on the NFL Network already seemed to have peaked and are now declining. They aren't bad though. Still plus 400K per game. But this is all going to be on the decline. What little enthusiasm this league managed to generate is already waning because the interest level just is not there. And the sports calendar is beginning to fill up again.

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        • Originally posted by Rider_Stronson View Post
          TV ratings starting to wane too now, already. That was expected. Once March hits, college basketball fever starts to set in. And people aren't stupid when they watch on TV either. It's hilarious how they constrain the camera angles from showing the embarrassingly sparse crowds. Forget about thinking you'll see the trajectory of an actual punt because that would mean a shot of the stands.
          Sky cam nausea.

          Watched some games on YouTube: #schedenfreude.

          Probably the biggest lesson for the CFL is the importance of training camp. I'd like to see the new CBA expand pre-season training. Apart from the relative competence of Orlando, in a minor league with limited blitzing, what stands out is the general sloppiness. So many dropped passes.
          CBA please.

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          • Originally posted by Soylent View Post

            Sky cam nausea.

            Watched some games on YouTube: #schedenfreude.

            Probably the biggest lesson for the CFL is the importance of training camp. I'd like to see the new CBA expand pre-season training. Apart from the relative competence of Orlando, in a minor league with limited blitzing, what stands out is the general sloppiness. So many dropped passes.
            More camp would be very good for the CFL, especially now that they've reduced practice time. CFL vets won't like it though, as the short camp gives them an edge.

            Thankfully our 18 game schedule also gives us a lot of time to refine the product. The first few weeks of the CFL can be kind of rough sometimes, kind of like an extended preseason. But it is really just a blip on our season in the big picture, whereas for a new spring league that ends up being half of their year.

            The original XFL product suffered from lack of prep time. They really rushed to start the league, giving teams very little time to assemble and practice. By the time the quality of the football improved, the fan base already tuned out.

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            • Originally posted by Rider_Stronson View Post

              That's be my guess as well. They can't attract flies, even with giveaways like the Carl's Jr. one. They are literally getting maybe a few thousand per game at many places. San Antonio has started off well but I'd imagine that locale will tail off too.

              Like Rod Woodson said on the open mic, nobody cares.
              I could see San Antonio tanking due to the negative press the league as a whole is getting, but their first two weeks were promising. Orlando being undefeated may help them hang on to their ~20K fans. Two markets don't make for a league though.

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              • Originally posted by Rider_Stronson View Post
                TV ratings starting to wane too now, already. That was expected. Once March hits, college basketball fever starts to set in. And people aren't stupid when they watch on TV either. It's hilarious how they constrain the camera angles from showing the embarrassingly sparse crowds. Forget about thinking you'll see the trajectory of an actual punt because that would mean a shot of the stands.
                I would watch any football until the Riders start, provided I don't have to pay for NFL Network. If I can get it on cable. yes; otherwise, no. Just not important enough to pay extra for.

                Big fail for AAFL, assuming they had any clout in the matter.

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                  • AAF very keen to suggest NFL connections.

                    At any rate, the precedents in the wlaf and NFL Europe was that teams allocated fringe players on the way out the door.
                    Bill Polian has been to the mountaintop in the NFL, and now the Pro Football Hall of Famer's encore act is to help players reach their highest potentials through the newly launched Alliance of American Football league...
                    CBA please.

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                    • Originally posted by Soylent View Post
                      AAF very keen to suggest NFL connections.

                      At any rate, the precedents in the wlaf and NFL Europe was that teams allocated fringe players on the way out the door.
                      For the AAF, this could be about survival, but the NFL could have some motivation here too. So far I've only heard good things about AAF from NFL front office folks who have watched their games. They see some value in developing players there.

                      If the NFL thinks spring league football is a viable business, they may want to ensure the AAF is the winning league. The XFL is much more hostile towards the NFL. Vince McMahon really is trying to take advantage of any anti-NFL sentiment with the anthem protests and such. Vince will continue to highlight all of the wedge issues that the NFL would prefer to see get less press attention, plus he'll have zero interest in partnering with the NFL in any developmental capacity. The XFL and Vince, if they survive, have a lot more brand power than the AAF, which makes them more of a long term threat. Whereas the AAF presents pretty much zero threat to the NFL. The AAF runs half of their games on the NFL network and has always sought a working relationship with the league.

                      Even if the concept isn't viable on its own, the NFL may see enough value to kick in the money to make it viable. It is a heck of a lot cheaper than operating a developmental league in Europe.

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                      • NFL "may" be interested in sending their QB's to develop in AAFL? Best of luck on the next concussion lawsuit.


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                        • Originally posted by gilligan View Post

                          For the AAF, this could be about survival, but the NFL could have some motivation here too. So far I've only heard good things about AAF from NFL front office folks who have watched their games. They see some value in developing players there.

                          If the NFL thinks spring league football is a viable business, they may want to ensure the AAF is the winning league. The XFL is much more hostile towards the NFL. Vince McMahon really is trying to take advantage of any anti-NFL sentiment with the anthem protests and such. Vince will continue to highlight all of the wedge issues that the NFL would prefer to see get less press attention, plus he'll have zero interest in partnering with the NFL in any developmental capacity. The XFL and Vince, if they survive, have a lot more brand power than the AAF, which makes them more of a long term threat. Whereas the AAF presents pretty much zero threat to the NFL. The AAF runs half of their games on the NFL network and has always sought a working relationship with the league.

                          Even if the concept isn't viable on its own, the NFL may see enough value to kick in the money to make it viable. It is a heck of a lot cheaper than operating a developmental league in Europe.
                          Reasonable points. Certainly the XFL 1.0 was all about disruption and Vince is still targeting the retrograde blood lust and social conservatism of the traditional fan.

                          Apart from the cliche about the Ncaa being the NFL's minor league, my suspicion is that talent development isn't a major priority for the average gm. There are so many players out of college all but the top stars are expendable and, indeed, cap management privileges players on rookie contracts.

                          Certainly as I mentioned above NFL Europe may have ended up being more productive as a minor league for the CFL in terms of player development. Not sure the top ten players produced for the NFL was worth millions in losses. Sure the AAF is a better deal for the NFL but the minor league stigma is what killed the wlaf, another league with useless tackles and spectacular, catastrophic blindside sacks.
                          There are several famous players who played in Europe who began their careers there. Without further ado, here are the top 10 most famous NFL Europe players
                          CBA please.

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                          • If the NFL thinks that there is very little benefit, and that both the AAF and XFL will just die out on their own, then I expect they'll be content to watch these leagues die.

                            If they actually invest in AAF, then they either think it is a viable enterprise or they see enough benefits to justify the losses.

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                            • No one wants to watch football in the spring , its a fall sport.

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                              • Originally posted by Greenwall View Post
                                No one wants to watch football in the spring , its a fall sport.
                                Summer and fall sport

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