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  • For all the Hurl haters.

    For all the Hurl haters, I believe this is pretty darn good of him, he may not be the best but he sure is not the worst player we have ever had.
    https://www.riderville.com/2018/10/2...urls-tutelage/

    News October 25, 2018 Cameron Judge benefits from Sam Hurl’s tutelage








    Ian Hamilton

    Senior Reporter














    Communication has been vital to the success of the Saskatchewan Roughriders’ middle linebacker this season.

    Sam Hurl, who started the 2018 CFL campaign at that spot, talks regularly with Cameron Judge, who has been getting more playing time at that position in recent weeks.

    “He’s someone who I can always ask questions,” Judge, 23, said after Thursday’s practice at Mosaic Stadium. “If I’m unclear of something, I ask him or get some pointers from him while we’re watching film. He has been really helpful for me this year.”


    Judge is in his second season with the Roughriders, who selected him in the first round (second overall) of the 2017 draft out of UCLA. He played in just three games in ’17 due to a shoulder injury that required season-ending surgery — and those three games primarily were spent on special teams.

    Hurl, 28, is in his seventh CFL season. When the University of Calgary product suits up for Saturday’s game against the B.C. Lions at Mosaic Stadium (5 p.m., CKRM, TSN), it’ll be the 108th game of his CFL career.

    Hurl began his run with the Roughriders in 2012 and spent three seasons with them before joining the Winnipeg Blue Bombers in 2015. After three campaigns with the Bombers, he signed as a free agent with Saskatchewan in February.

    Roughriders head coach-GM Chris Jones said Hurl’s signing had more to do with his ability to play multiple positions on special teams and defence than it did his ability to mentor a player like Judge. That said …

    “Cam Judge is a smart-enough guy to look around at a guy who is a vet and learn from him,” Jones said.

    Hurl and Judge sit beside each other in the Roughriders’ locker room, which allows Hurl to provide insight to his younger teammate. Linebacker Sam Eguavoen also is in the vicinity, so he and Hurl have tried to be resources for Judge.

    “If Cam has questions, he knows he can ask us,” Hurl said. “If there is something we think he can do better, we tell him.”

    That’s not to say that Hurl is continually telling Judge what to do. The veteran believes that on-the-job training is more beneficial to a younger player than having someone in his ear all the time.

    “I try to (mentor Judge) a bit, but ultimately what I think this game is all about is getting the experience on the field and getting those reps,” Hurl said.

    “I try to help him out in little things here and there that I see, but it comes down to getting the reps over and over and becoming familiar with what’s happening on the field.”

    Those opportunities have become more and more prevalent for Judge.

    After seeing duty as Hurl’s backup in the early stages of the 2018 regular season, Judge is more likely to start games now — and the change in responsibilities is evident on the stats sheet.

    Over Saskatchewan’s first 10 games, Hurl had 31 tackles and Judge had 19. Over the team’s past seven games, Judge had 21 tackles and Hurl had 10.

    Entering the Roughriders’ final game of the regular season, Hurl is sixth on the team with 49 defensive plays (41 tackles, six special-teams stops, two tackles for losses) and Judge is seventh with 48 defensive plays (40 tackles, three special-teams tackles, two sacks, one forced fumble, one knockdown and one tackle for loss).

    Judge’s volume of stats may be increasing, but his volume isn’t.

    “He’s a quiet guy,” Jones said. “You never know he’s in the room. You never know he’s on your football team until game day. All you do is see him do a lot of really good things.”

    And Hurl expects that to continue.

    “The more he gets to understand the game and how things move and the more experience he gets, the better he’ll become,” Hurl said. “I know he’ll continue to develop as a great player in this league.”

    Judge believes the biggest progression he has made this season is in his understanding of the CFL game and teams’ tendencies — and his background makes it easy to see why he faced a learning curve.

    He was born in Montreal and played minor football in the Vancouver area, but his high school training occurred in Thousand Oaks, Calif. Then he went to UCLA, so his formative years in football were spent in the United States.

    Combine that with the injury Judge suffered last season and it’s easy to see why he’s still figuring out the CFL.

    “I think I’ve done a pretty decent job this year,” he said. “There are still some things to improve on, of course, and places I can get better. But so far, I’ve been getting better each week.”

    He can thank Hurl for helping him, even though that assistance cost the veteran some playing time.

    “Me not helping somebody isn’t going to help me,” Hurl said. “If I can try to spread what I know about the game and try to be positive in helping other people become better, it’ll make me better.”
    Pick your battles small enough to win but big enough to matter.

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    Hurl sounds like the epitome of a team guy! Like it.

    My fav alumni to listen to on the radio is Mike McCullough and he is always singing the praise of Hurl.

    Ps Mccullough comes across as a real stand up guy!

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    • #3
      He fits in a lot better with Jones' defence then he ever did with Hall's. The Bombers simply wanted more out of Hurl then he could provide but with the Riders he plays a key role in a strong team defence.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mfranc View Post
        He fits in a lot better with Jones' defence then he ever did with Hall's. The Bombers simply wanted more out of Hurl then he could provide but with the Riders he plays a key role in a strong team defence.
        He doesn’t play a key role at all, that’s one of the big differences for him with the Riders. He plays a secondary or complementary role in a strong defense, which is why it’s working.

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        • #5
          the important thing is between Hurl and Judge they have been as productive as say Ackie who is a full time starter

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          • #6
            I don't think anyone has ever questioned his character, work ethic or how good of a teammate he is. The "haters" bring up issues of his on field play. This article, although good to hear he is helping Judge, really does nothing to the "haters" as it really doesn't change his onfield play.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by steve04 View Post
              I don't think anyone has ever questioned his character, work ethic or how good of a teammate he is. The "haters" bring up issues of his on field play. This article, although good to hear he is helping Judge, really does nothing to the "haters" as it really doesn't change his onfield play.
              no but anyone watching his actual on field play this year realizes that he is doing a very good job and performing his role admirably - first year out of a Richie Hall D - he indeed appears to be a different player next year - year 2 in a new system he should be better

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rotor View Post

                no but anyone watching his actual on field play this year realizes that he is doing a very good job and performing his role admirably - first year out of a Richie Hall D - he indeed appears to be a different player next year - year 2 in a new system he should be better
                Not disagreeing, just don't know why everything on this site has to be so confrontational, and title a thread "to the haters", that's just looking to start a fight, and it has nothing to do with the article posted

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by steve w View Post
                  Hurl sounds like the epitome of a team guy! Like it.

                  My fav alumni to listen to on the radio is Mike McCullough and he is always singing the praise of Hurl.

                  Ps Mccullough comes across as a real stand up guy!
                  Yeah, he's a team guy for sure, and I think that idea big deal to Jones. It is a huge factor in a guy like Steele, for example. Team first, strategy with multiple positions, and accolades and flashy stats somewhere way down the l8ne because of it all.

                  I've always been back and forth on Hurl. I was iffy on him, but he has exceeded my hopes this season for sure.

                  and yeah, Mike's talk on him made me rethink Hurl some. He talks his football IQ a lot. I had a pile of respect for Mike and felt he was grossly underutized as a player. I think the way the ratio has shifted some recently that he would be a regular starter now.
                  #keepthepromise

                  Onward with escaping the hopeless fantasy of an artificial freedom and darkened picket fences the disillusioned front of friendly foes

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by steve04 View Post

                    Not disagreeing, just don't know why everything on this site has to be so confrontational, and title a thread "to the haters", that's just looking to start a fight, and it has nothing to do with the article posted
                    confused as to why you would lay that at my feet? I did not start the thread - and have not said anything confrontational

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by steve w View Post
                      Hurl sounds like the epitome of a team guy! Like it.

                      My fav alumni to listen to on the radio is Mike McCullough and he is always singing the praise of Hurl.

                      Ps Mccullough comes across as a real stand up guy!
                      I remember sitting at a table with McCullough at the Balgonie Wildlife Supper, of all places, years back when Hurl was still here for his first tour and Mike said that Sam was the smartest young linebacker he'd ever met. Basically, between the lines, drew parallels between himself and Hurl - but guys who may not have the athleticism of others but can make up for that with their brains.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rotor View Post

                        confused as to why you would lay that at my feet? I did not start the thread - and have not said anything confrontational
                        You responded to my post advancing the conversation, and I responded to yours advancing the conversation - that's how conversations and message boards work

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mfranc View Post
                          He fits in a lot better with Jones' defence then he ever did with Hall's. The Bombers simply wanted more out of Hurl then he could provide but with the Riders he plays a key role in a strong team defence.
                          I don't believe Hurl had ever played on a pro level other than under a Richie hall defence under which he didn't do that well. However, he's now part of a really good defence and seems to fit into that scheme very well, at least IMHO.
                          ZC gets another chance to feed cram sammiches!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Rotor View Post

                            no but anyone watching his actual on field play this year realizes that he is doing a very good job and performing his role admirably - first year out of a Richie Hall D - he indeed appears to be a different player next year - year 2 in a new system he should be better
                            Year two will see him mostly watching Judge play. He’s officially very much a back up now. It’s Judges job.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dreegking View Post

                              Year two will see him mostly watching Judge play. He’s officially very much a back up now. It’s Judges job.
                              probably true

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