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  • #61
    Originally posted by Cflgridiron View Post

    So ISIS should not be banned? What about those who believe in sex slaves? What about groups who things gay people should be put in jail or killed?

    Also remember social media is not the internet.
    There is debate on this. Is it better to have them out in the open on social media, or forced underground where it is harder to identify followers.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Maverick View Post

      A system of free speech can only be abused if those in power choose to censor free speech. Itís easy for those in power to label opponents as extremist, itís a path I donít want to go down.
      Agree completely.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Cflgridiron View Post

        So ISIS should not be banned?
        We should probably ban immigration from the Middle East, the Quran and the Niqab too.....

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        • #64
          I donít think social media was conceived of when hate speech laws were drawn up. At the time it was to avoid inciting violence against minorities. Now hateful people can try to do that on social media, but they risk pretty severe consequences for doing so. Iím of the mind that itís probably better to allow people like Nazi or Kkksympathizers out themselves.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Cflgridiron View Post

            So ISIS should not be banned? What about those who believe in sex slaves? What about groups who things gay people should be put in jail or killed?

            Also remember social media is not the internet.
            I dont think banning this from social media will change anybody's thoughts. Bad groups and ideas have been going on long before social media.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Scotty c View Post

              How is this any different than regular media. If your a Donald supporter then Fox News is the truth, if you arenít then itís CNN or CNBC.

              People need to think for themselves. If they arenít willing to do that it doesnít matter the source of the media really as they only are going to believe their messages.

              While we are banning social media we should also ban video games, heavy metal and rap music because those make the kids murder and rape.
              A big difference is the reach and how fast it gets there. Fox News propaganda is limited to people watching that channel (except when their message jumps vehicles onto social media). Social media spreads like wildfire. I retweet something and all of my followers retweet it, etc.

              I'm not arguing that social media as a tool is bad. It's fantastic for keeping up with friends, family, coworkers, local businesses, whatever. However, in the realm of "news", it's being weaponized and flooded with propaganda. You can say "people need to think for themselves" all you want, but the reality is that most people don't seem prepared to do that. Tropicthunder's example of anti-vaxxers is a prime example.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by green_machine_#1 View Post

                A big difference is the reach and how fast it gets there. Fox News propaganda is limited to people watching that channel (except when their message jumps vehicles onto social media). Social media spreads like wildfire. I retweet something and all of my followers retweet it, etc.

                I'm not arguing that social media as a tool is bad. It's fantastic for keeping up with friends, family, coworkers, local businesses, whatever. However, in the realm of "news", it's being weaponized and flooded with propaganda. You can say "people need to think for themselves" all you want, but the reality is that most people don't seem prepared to do that. Tropicthunder's example of anti-vaxxers is a prime example.
                Again all issues that existed before social media. In fact you could argue that due to social media people are more free to research and form their own opinions.

                For instance the anti vaxx movement appears to be a few hundred years old. https://www.historyofvaccines.org/co...tion-movements

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Grainshoveler View Post

                  I dont think banning this from social media will change anybody's thoughts. Bad groups and ideas have been going on long before social media.
                  It is not about changing their viewpoint it is about not embolding them to take action. It is about limiting and reducing false information and ideas. There is a big difference between promoting a certain idea to a small crowd and promoting that idea that can reach 1 billion people.

                  Consider how Alex Jones was able to spread a story that ended up with a man bringing a gun into a pizza joint. Or influencing people to attack the parents whoís kids were murdered as being state actors. If he did not have access to YouTube, Facebook and Twitter is is far less likely he would have grown his audience to the size he did. He also would have needed far more money to run his channel to pay for the bandwidth it costs to host videos.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Scotty c View Post

                    Again all issues that existed before social media. In fact you could argue that due to social media people are more free to research and form their own opinions.

                    For instance the anti vaxx movement appears to be a few hundred years old. https://www.historyofvaccines.org/co...tion-movements
                    You're claiming that prior to social media, it was possible to spread propaganda to hundreds of millions of people in an afternoon with a budget of zero dollars?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Cflgridiron View Post

                      It is not about changing their viewpoint it is about not embolding them to take action. It is about limiting and reducing false information and ideas. There is a big difference between promoting a certain idea to a small crowd and promoting that idea that can reach 1 billion people.

                      Consider how Alex Jones was able to spread a story that ended up with a man bringing a gun into a pizza joint. Or influencing people to attack the parents whoís kids were murdered as being state actors. If he did not have access to YouTube, Facebook and Twitter is is far less likely he would have grown his audience to the size he did. He also would have needed far more money to run his channel to pay for the bandwidth it costs to host videos.
                      Adolph disagrees.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by green_machine_#1 View Post

                        You're claiming that prior to social media, it was possible to spread propaganda to hundreds of millions of people in an afternoon with a budget of zero dollars?
                        Not at all. Prior to social media it would have cost a lot as you would need to control a state media outlet.

                        Current day itís not possible either. Costs a lot to have a follower group of that size.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Scotty c View Post

                          Again all issues that existed before social media. In fact you could argue that due to social media people are more free to research and form their own opinions.

                          For instance the anti vaxx movement appears to be a few hundred years old. https://www.historyofvaccines.org/co...tion-movements
                          But she's got blonde hair and big ****. She must know what she's talking about!

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                          • #73
                            My mother worked at the Fort San sanitarium. She can't believe the stupidity of the anti vaxxers.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Magnum View Post

                              The Democrats and Republicans would both be trying to banish each other.
                              For the next 4 months I hate the weather channel.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Scotty c View Post

                                Not at all. Prior to social media it would have cost a lot as you would need to control a state media outlet.

                                Current day itís not possible either. Costs a lot to have a follower group of that size.
                                No, it doesn't. Mix in some advertisements for fancy pillows and investing in gold and you can turn a profit.

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