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  • #46
    Originally posted by imschatz View Post
    Question: If McClintic was first nations, does she get to stay at the lodge?
    The new criteria announced doesn't seem to look at race, it's more around length of sentence, behaviour while incarcerated, how long before you could plausibly be released. I'd say no, even if she was aboriginal.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Mustard Tiger View Post

      Thatís not true. The time it took for the review and policy change to happen is not the same as taking weeks to address the issue. Policy doesnít change overnight. It didnít take weeks of public pressure to initiate the review/change process. That happened quite quickly after the story broke.
      If they recognized that the transfer was problematic Goodale should have rose in the House & said it was inappropriate and that the gov't was going to take measures to correct the problem. Instead he passed the buck & said it was Corrections that had made the decision and contrary to what you & green machine are claiming he did not immediately ask for a report from Corrections. That came after the public outrage & bad press from even the brownnosers at CBC.

      If he wanted it he could have gotten an informal report from Corrections within days. The reality is if there was no public outcry they would have let this slide; when the matter was raised in the House the PM called the CPC MP's "ambulance chasers".

      Seems like old Ralph finally caught the ambulance.
      Last edited by coralharbour; 11-08-2018, 04:10 PM.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by coralharbour View Post

        If they recognized that the transfer was problematic Goodale should have rose in the House & said it was inappropriate and that the gov't was going to take measures to correct the problem. Instead he passed the buck & said it was Corrections that had made the decision and contrary to what you & green machine are claiming he did not immediately ask for a report from Corrections. That came after the public outrage & bad press from even the brownnosers at CBC.

        If he wanted it he could have gotten an informal report from Corrections within days. The reality is if there was no public outcry they would have let this slide; when the matter was raised in the House the PM called the CPC MP's "ambulance chasers".

        Seems like old Ralph finally caught the ambulance.
        lol wut?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by coralharbour View Post

          If they recognized that the transfer was problematic Goodale should have rose in the House & said it was inappropriate and that the gov't was going to take measures to correct the problem. Instead he passed the buck & said it was Corrections that had made the decision and contrary to what you & green machine are claiming he did not immediately ask for a report from Corrections. That came after the public outrage & bad press from even the brownnosers at CBC.

          If he wanted it he could have gotten an informal report from Corrections within days. The reality is if there was no public outcry they would have let this slide; when the matter was raised in the House the PM called the CPC MP's "ambulance chasers".

          Seems like old Ralph finally caught the ambulance.
          Reality is they initiated a review, changed the policy and fixed the problem yet youíre still complaining about it because of the party.

          They answered the public outcry. Not sure why youíre trying to twist that into a bad thing. Goodale probably said Corrections made the decision because, ya know, they did make the decision. Corrections should always make those decisions because thatís their job.
          Last edited by Mustard Tiger; 11-08-2018, 04:25 PM.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Mustard Tiger View Post

            Reality is they initiated a review, changed the policy and fixed the problem yet youíre still complaining about it because of the party.

            They answered the public outcry. Not sure why youíre trying to twist that into a bad thing. Goodale probably said Corrections made the decision because, ya know, they did make the decision. Corrections should always make those decisions because thatís their job.
            Because your propaganda that the standard procedures were followed to the logical conclusion is a falsehood:

            1) Goodale initially dismissed the complaints about the transfer claiming that it was a Corrections decision & he couldn't interfere.

            2) When CPC MP's raised the matter in QP the PM referred to them as "ambulance chasers"

            3) CPC forced a vote on overturning the transfer but the Liberals & NDP defeated the vote.

            In fact it was the public outcry & bad press that forced the gov't's hand and despite voting against the transfer they went ahead & reversed it.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by coralharbour View Post

              Because your propaganda that the standard procedures were followed to the logical conclusion is a falsehood:

              1) Goodale initially dismissed the complaints about the transfer claiming that it was a Corrections decision & he couldn't interfere.

              2) When CPC MP's raised the matter in QP the PM referred to them as "ambulance chasers"

              3) CPC forced a vote on overturning the transfer but the Liberals & NDP defeated the vote.

              In fact it was the public outcry & bad press that forced the gov't's hand and despite voting against the transfer they went ahead & reversed it.
              Goodale said he wouldn't personally change the decision, but he asked for a review of the decision as well as the policy overall.

              They voted against overturning the transfer because it was a publicity stunt. They had already announced they were reviewing the transfer BEFORE the vote, and then they followed through and delivered what everyone believed to be the correct decision.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by coralharbour View Post

                Because your propaganda that the standard procedures were followed to the logical conclusion is a falsehood:

                1) Goodale initially dismissed the complaints about the transfer claiming that it was a Corrections decision & he couldn't interfere.

                2) When CPC MP's raised the matter in QP the PM referred to them as "ambulance chasers"

                3) CPC forced a vote on overturning the transfer but the Liberals & NDP defeated the vote.

                In fact it was the public outcry & bad press that forced the gov't's hand and despite voting against the transfer they went ahead & reversed it.
                Holy man, I guess I read the wrong news hey.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by coralharbour View Post

                  Because your propaganda that the standard procedures were followed to the logical conclusion is a falsehood:

                  1) Goodale initially dismissed the complaints about the transfer claiming that it was a Corrections decision & he couldn't interfere.

                  2) When CPC MP's raised the matter in QP the PM referred to them as "ambulance chasers"

                  3) CPC forced a vote on overturning the transfer but the Liberals & NDP defeated the vote.

                  In fact it was the public outcry & bad press that forced the gov't's hand and despite voting against the transfer they went ahead & reversed it.
                  My propaganda? Get a grip.

                  It was a Corrections decision. What happened in QP and the vote were political grandstanding. Normal politician behaviour of trying to capitalize on public emotion to gain some points. Having it reviewed and changing policy was the correct response.

                  Yes, public demand is the reason they initiated the review. Thatís not a bad thing.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Mustard Tiger View Post

                    My propaganda? Get a grip.

                    It was a Corrections decision. What happened in QP and the vote were political grandstanding. Normal politician behaviour of trying to capitalize on public emotion to gain some points. Having it reviewed and changing policy was the correct response.

                    Yes, public demand is the reason they initiated the review. Thatís not a bad thing.
                    Except you're glossing over some uncomfortable facts the most important of which is Goodale did not immediately order a review (which is what you appear to be implying). It was only after the public outrage & bad press they were getting did he order the review.

                    Don't kid yourself. They were content to let this thing slide until it blew up in their face.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by coralharbour View Post

                      Except you're glossing over some uncomfortable facts the most important of which is Goodale did not immediately order a review (which is what you appear to be implying). It was only after the public outrage & bad press they were getting did he order the review.

                      Don't kid yourself. They were content to let this thing slide until it blew up in their face.
                      Why don't you lay out the timeline of events as you see it. Are you saying Goodale hadn't ordered a review before Scheer pulled his stunt in the House of Commons?

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by coralharbour View Post

                        Except you're glossing over some uncomfortable facts the most important of which is Goodale did not immediately order a review (which is what you appear to be implying). It was only after the public outrage & bad press they were getting did he order the review.

                        Don't kid yourself. They were content to let this thing slide until it blew up in their face.
                        Whatever man, Seems like you're upset that they did what everyone wanted them to do.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Mustard Tiger View Post

                          Whatever man, Seems like you're upset that they did what everyone wanted them to do.
                          I realize it's subtle but there really is a difference between doing something because it's the right thing to do in the first place and doing it eventually because you get guilted into it.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by coralharbour View Post

                            I realize it's subtle but there really is a difference between doing something because it's the right thing to do in the first place and doing it eventually because you get guilted into it.
                            So they werenít righteous enough? Thatís funny.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by coralharbour View Post

                              I realize it's subtle but there really is a difference between doing something because it's the right thing to do in the first place and doing it eventually because you get guilted into it.
                              Like telling your wife and coworkers you've been sexting with strangers only because you accidentally became a national security liability

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Mustard Tiger View Post

                                So they werenít righteous enough? Thatís funny.
                                So do you live your life that way; doing the right thing only after you get guilted into it?

                                Sounds like a wonky moral compass to me.

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