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  • China puts bombers on 'High Alert'

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/20/politi...ina/index.html

    Chinese air force land-attack, cruise-missile-capable bombers were put "on high alert" on Wednesday as the US sees evidence that the Chinese military is preparing to respond to a potential situation in North Korea, a US defense official tells CNN.

    The official said the US has also seen an extraordinary number of Chinese military aircraft being brought up to full readiness through intensified maintenance.

    These recent steps by the Chinese are assessed as part of an effort to "reduce the time to react to a North Korea contingency," the official said.

    Such a contingency could include the risk of an armed conflict breaking out as tensions on the peninsula have increased in the wake of multiple North Korean missile tests.

    The US and Pyongyang have ratcheted up their rhetoric, with the latter's state media warning Thursday that a pre-emptive strike by North Korea would result in the US and South Korea being "completely destroyed in an instant."

    Beijing has long been concerned about potential instability in North Korea should the regime in Pyongyang collapse, fearing both an influx of refugees and the potential of reunification under a South Korean government closely allied to the US.

    China is also opposed to the US military's presence in South Korea, protesting the recent US and South Korea decision to begin deploying elements of the THAAD missile defense system.

    Given the close economic links between North Korea and China, US military officials have said that Beijing is critical to solving the North Korean situation, with President Donald Trump recently commending Chinese President Xi Jinping for Chinese efforts to curb Pyongyang's activities.

    Several senior administration officials told CNN Thursday that China is now the focus of the Trump administration's North Korea strategy.
    "Nobody thinks the Chinese are going to press North Korea militarily or bring the regime to its knees, but the strategy looks to China to find a political solution more than anything else," one senior administration official said.

    The officials said Trump's approach is based on a careful review of past US efforts to deal with North Korea, noting that during the analysis of failed negotiating efforts with the long-reigning Kim family, one thing became abundantly clear: "China has never exerted maximum leverage on the Kim regime."

    It's estimated that some 85% of North Korea's economic trade is dependent on China. Given those close economic links, US military officials have said that Beijing is critical to solving the North Korean situation.

    And China appeared to reciprocate Wednesday, with Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang saying Beijing was "gravely concerned" about North Korea's recent nuclear and missile activities while simultaneously praising Washington's approach to the issue.

    "American officials did make some positive and constructive remarks ... such as using whatever peaceful means possible to resolve the (Korean) Peninsula nuclear issue. This represents a general direction that we believe is correct and should be adhered to," Lu said.

    But one senior administration official cautioned that the China-centric strategy was still in an early stage, and that "there are many more stages to go."

  • #2
    Then throw in the Russians buzzing Alaska twice over the past week, Syrians attacking a Russian base, killing a higher up and things are getting somewhat interesting.

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    • #3
      What is China ratcheting up to do? Fight the US if needed, or tame NK?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ROFLMAO View Post
        What is China ratcheting up to do? Fight the US if needed, or tame NK?
        Scare the little runt in NK, I think China starting to get fed up as well. They have an interest in keeping NK around but not at the expense of a war with the US for both economic and military reasons.

        It's a scary situation with Seoul being so close to the border. In a drawn out conflict the US and South Korea would make a mess of North but in the short term a lot of people would die in the South 10's of thousands or more within hours and that is without even considering nukes. Meanwhile China doesn't want a unified Korea that is allied with the US for obvious reasons and right now North Korea is the perfect buffer for them. To be honest I'm not sure a unified Korea is a great idea for any of us. A unified Korea would I believe have the largest army in the world and would be on the Chinese border, that sounds like a recipe for trouble. .

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        • #5
          2 things I see.
          NK is a buffer zone.
          China is a big dog on home turf.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ROFLMAO View Post
            2 things I see.
            NK is a buffer zone.
            China is a big dog on home turf.
            Yep, Problem is North Koreas Army is about 1.2M people and even though a lot of their equipment is antiquated they have a lot of it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sofaking View Post

              Yep, Problem is North Koreas Army is about 1.2M people and even though a lot of their equipment is antiquated they have a lot of it.
              But do they have control of Icarus yet to wipe out the DMZ?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sofaking View Post

                Yep, Problem is North Koreas Army is about 1.2M people and even though a lot of their equipment is antiquated they have a lot of it.
                Immediate air superiority would render those 1.2 million infantrymen worthless pretty quickly.

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                • voice of reason
                  voice of reason commented
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                  Not before they dropped 10's of 1000's of artillery shells on Seoul.

              • #9
                Originally posted by squish View Post

                Immediate air superiority would render those 1.2 million infantrymen worthless pretty quickly.
                Where is China in that equation?

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by ROFLMAO View Post

                  Where is China in that equation?
                  Are you talking just in terms of personnel...if so, they have the most at 2.3M

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                  • #11
                    1 China 2,333,000
                    2 United States 1,492,200
                    3 India 1,325,000
                    4 North Korea 1,190,000
                    5 Russia 845,000
                    6 Pakistan 643,800
                    7 South Korea 630,000
                    8 Iran 523,000
                    9 Turkey 510,600
                    10 Vietnam 482,000
                    11 Colombia 466,713
                    12 Egypt 438,500
                    13 Myanmar 406,000
                    14 Indonesia 395,500
                    15 Thailand 360,850
                    16 Brazil 318,480
                    17 Taiwan 290,000
                    18 Iraq 271,500
                    19 Mexico 270,250
                    20 Ukraine 250,000
                    21 Japan 247,150
                    22 Sudan 244,300
                    23 Saudi Arabia 233,500
                    24 France 222,200
                    25 South Sudan 210,000
                    26 Eritrea 201,750
                    27 Morocco 195,800
                    28 Germany 186,450
                    29 Afghanistan 185,800

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                    • nachocheese
                      nachocheese commented
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                      Nice find GTF

                  • #12
                    Originally posted by ROFLMAO View Post
                    What is China ratcheting up to do? Fight the US if needed, or tame NK?
                    Probably Both. They might take action against North Korea, in certain circumstances, but they might also feel they need to intervene if the US were to do something idiotic like a preemptive strike.

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                    • #13


                      Two Japanese Navy destroyers have joined the carrier strike group ‘USS Carl Vinson’ heading towards the Korean Peninsula for a massive show of force as North Korea prepares to mark the 85th anniversary of the foundation of its military.

                      The Japanese warships, destroyers ‘Ashigara’ and ‘Samidare’, left the navy’s Sasebo base early on Friday for a rendezvous with the ‘USS Carl Vinson’ group off North Korean shores, NHK reports.

                      Defense Ministry officials said the details of the joint US-Japan naval exercise are yet to be determined. The drill comes as an apparent show of force aimed at deterring North Korea, which will mark the 85th anniversary of the foundation of its military next week.

                      Though little is known about the naval exercise, the event was announced by the Japanese Navy earlier last week.

                      “Japan wants to dispatch several destroyers as the ‘Carl Vinson’ enters the East China Sea,” said one of the Japanese military sources, as cited by Reuters.

                      The source added that the drills would involve helicopter landings on both American and Japanese ships as well as communications training.

                      The American strike group includes Nimitz-class aircraft carrier ‘USS Carl Vinson’ with her air wing, Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers ‘USS Wayne E. Meyer’ and ‘USS Michael Murphy’, as well as Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser ‘USS Lake Champlain’.

                      The strike group will operate in the region under the operational control of the 3rd Fleet as part of the 3rd Fleet Forward initiative, according to the US Navy.

                      Its arrival to the Western Pacific was marked by a string of conflicting statements from the White House and the Pentagon. Last week, US President Donald Trump told Fox Business Network’s Maria Bartiromo that “we are sending an armada, very powerful. We have submarines, very powerful – far more powerful than the aircraft carrier.”

                      The news, however, was downplayed by US military officials after it emerged that the strike group was heading to Australia instead of the Korean Peninsula. Some American media reported that the USS Carl Vinson and her escort ships were operating near Indonesia.

                      Earlier this week, a senior White House official accused the military of misleading the president and his team about the deployment of the ‘Carl Vinson’, according to the Wall Street Journal.

                      Defense Secretary James Mattis provided a rather vague statement, saying: “The Vinson, as I’ve said on the record, was operating up and down the western Pacific … And that is, we’re shifting her, instead of continuing one direction as she pulled out of Singapore she’s going to continue part of our cruise down in that region, but she was on her way up to Korea.”

                      The latest flare-up in tension between the US and North Korea has been triggered by reports that the state was about to conduct its sixth nuclear test or fire a nuclear-capable ballistic missile. Washington threatened to solve the ‘North Korean problem’ unilaterally, arguing that Pyongyang poses a threat to US interests in the region.

                      North Korea said it was ready to defend itself with all means available, including weapons of mass destruction. In a series of extraordinary statements, China, North Korea’s main trading partner and ally, warned that the region was on the brink of an all-out war.

                      Russia, which shares a land border with the hermit state, urged all parties to refrain from the use of military force.

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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by Giventofly View Post

                        Are you talking just in terms of personnel...if so, they have the most at 2.3M
                        I was talking in terms of "air superiority", which isn't certain with China there. They are not going to sit idle while a brouhaha breaks out in their backyard.

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                        • #15
                          And Russia has a wee little sliver of a border with North Korea...enough to be a factor.

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